Design Minutes 10-24-07

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Date of Record: 2007-10-24

CORONADO DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION

MEETING MINUTES

Regular Meeting October 24, 2007

The regular meeting of the Coronado Design Review Commission was called to order at 3:06 p.m., Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at the Coronado City Hall Council Chambers, 1825 Strand Way, Coronado, California, by Vice Chair Reed.

MEMBERS PRESENT: Commissioners Kaufman, Jones, and Reed

MEMBERS ABSENT: Commissioners Shallan and Wilson

STAFF PRESENT: Peter Fait, Associate Planner

Martha L Alvarez, Recording Secretary

DIRECTOR'S REPORT

There was no separate report.

COMMITTEE REPORTS

None.

ORAL COMMUNICATIONS AND OTHER MATTERS

There were no members of the public wishing to speak at this time.

APPLICATIONS FOR REVIEW

DR 15-06 CORONADO ISLAND INN - Request for design approval of an exterior remodel at 301 Orange Avenue.

Director Fait presented the staff report as outlined in the agenda.

The applicant's representative, Donna Crossman, 711 Balboa Avenue, gave a brief overview and answered questions.

PUBLIC COMMENT

There were no members of the public wishing to speak at this time.

COMMISSION DISCUSSION

Commissioner Jones asked if the current signs are being removed.

Director Fait said yes.

Commissioner Jones said she liked the change and said it is a vast improvement over what currently is there.

Vice Chair Kaufman agreed but cautioned that the colors should not be too dark, especially the dark mahogany. She asked how much of the shingles would be stained.

Ms. Crossman said one entire side would be shingled as well as the back side facing the alley. There is also a small portion in the front facing Orange Avenue that will be shingled.

Commissioner Jones agreed that the stones are very dark which is different from the proposed plan, which shows a more variegated color with a lighter rendering.

Vice Chair Kaufman suggested using a lighter, grey color on the building. She felt the entire presence is too dark.

Commissioner Jones said she liked the color of the shingles and the doors but suggested lightening the color of the stones so the building does not have such a heavy look.

Chairperson Reed said she has worked with this type of stone before and likes the warmth it brings. She said the areas of stucco will offset the dark color and will create a contrast. In addition, the railings and the window surrounds are white. Ms. Reed said she has no issues with the colors.

Commissioner Jones asked if the applicant had other selection options for the stone.

The applicant, Bob Hakes, 667 Margarita, said their intent was to get a Craftsman feel. The existing color on the building is a dark green. He did not feel that the stone color would be overwhelming but instead would provide an accent.

Chairperson Reed reminded Mr. Hakes that there was not a full quorum present to day and that a unanimous vote would be required in order to approve his request. She asked if Mr. Hakes desired to continue the item.

Vice Chair Kaufman said she would like the applicant to return with a sample of a lighter-colored stone and overall scheme.

Mr. Hakes said he could accommodate the Commission's request.

Director Fait asked if the issue was with the material or the color only.

Commissioner Jones said that her only issue was with the deep depth of the color of the stone.

Vice Chair Kaufman agreed and said she prefers a lighter-colored grey stone.

Director Fait suggested that a subcommittee consisting of Commissioners Kaufman and Jones meet on site with the applicant to review the proposed color of the stone.

Chairperson Reed agreed and suggested that the subcommittee approve the color of the stone at the on site meeting.

COMMISSION ACTION

COMMISSIONER JONES MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, AS SUBMITTED, WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE STONE BE LIGHTER IN COLOR AND SHADE AND THAT IT BE APPROVED ON SITE BY A SUBCOMMITTEE CONSISTING OF COMMISSIONERS KAUFMAN AND JONES.

COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN SECONDED THE MOTION.

AYES: Commissioners Jones, Kaufman, and Reed.

NAYS: None.

ABSENT: Commissioners Shallan, Wilson.

ABSTAIN: None.

 

The motion passed with a vote of 3-0.

There is a 15-day appeal period.

DR 16-07 AT&T - Request for design approval of a new exterior sign at 756 Orange Avenue.

Director Fait presented the staff report as outlined in the agenda.

The applicant's representative, Jim Symons, JGS Permit Service, 4666 Edgeware Road, San Diego, gave a brief overview and answered questions.

Chairperson Reed asked if the sign is dictated by the logo of the company.

Mr. Symons said yes. It is their international trademark.

Chairperson Reed asked if AT&T has considered optional signs for communities that do not allow molded plastic signs.

Mr. Symons said he is not aware of any.

Vice Chair Kaufman said the building is architecturally very nice and she does not feel that the sign fits the building.

Mr. Symons said that this type of branding is truly corporate in nature.

Vice Chair Kaufman said this is a very important building and AT&T should take into consideration the type and location of the building and the impact it would have on the community.

Commissioner Jones said the sign detracts from the building.

Director Fait said that typically what is registered as logos is the style and font for the letters. What is not registered is the size of the elements, the type of materials, or the lighting. The Commission has flexibility with these requirements as well as the location of the sign.

Chairperson Reed said the applicant had stated the sign was for identification and not advertising purposes. Ms. Reed asked if they would consider bringing the sign to street level. She felt that the sign advertises the building's unattractive purpose.

Mr. Symons suggested placing the sign on the grill work between the two white columns.

Commissioner Jones asked if this would include the logo.

Mr. Symons said it would include the logo. He also said that he would be happy to communicate to the applicant any of the Commission's suggestions. In addition, he does not disagree with the Commission on their comments regarding the building.

Chairperson Reed said that the Orange Avenue Specific Plan specifically addresses molded signs in a negative way. This information may be helpful to Mr. Symons in having the applicant take a different approach to this request. Ms. Reed suggested incorporating a metal sign without the bright colors, for identification purposes. She also suggested a natural colored wood sign with the logo and lettering carved into it. Perhaps it could be located on the Eighth Street side.

Director Fait said there is a lot of accent tile on the building and suggested using a tile mosaic for the sign.

Vice Chair Kaufman suggested that the sign could be placed on the tiled base or on the grill between the two columns.

Chairperson Reed added that if color needs to be incorporated into the sign, a subtler color would be preferred. She would also like to see some type of iron work instead of color.

Chairperson Jones said she preferred a sign that is more natural and possibly placing it on the Eighth Street side.

Mr. Symons said he believes that the applicant is obligated to consider other options.

Commissioner Jones said the aesthetics of it just simply does not work with the building.

PUBLIC COMMENT

There were no members of the public wishing to speak at this time.

COMMISSION DISCUSSION

None.

COMMISSION ACTION

COMMISSIONER KAUFMAN MADE A MOTION CONTINUE THE ITEM TO THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING OF THE DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER JONES SECONDED THE MOTION.

AYES: Commissioners Jones, Kaufman, and Reed.

NAYS: None.

ABSENT: Commissioners Shallan, Wilson.

ABSTAIN: None.

 

The motion passed with a vote of 3-0.

There is a 15-day appeal period.

DR 18-07 CLANCY, CARA - Voluntary review of a proposed duplex at 901 Tenth Street by the property owner in order to increase the allowable floor area ration (FAR) in accordance with section 86.14.035 of the Coronado Municipal Code.

Director Fait presented the staff report as outlined in the agenda.

The applicant, Cara Clancy, 561 Marina Avenue, gave a brief overview and answered questions.

Vice Chair Kaufman asked about the color of the window trim.

Ms. Clancy said it will be a raw Umber. She considered doing it in wood but felt it would not hold up to the exposure so she will make it look as much like wood as possible. She is considering doing clad on both the interior and exterior. Ms. Clancy added that she is trying to find design features that are unique in order to make it Spanish style, livable for a family, and make everyone happy. Ms. Clancy said there are awnings and draperies on the upstairs balconies, and presented drapery fabric and tile samples.

Director Fait mentioned there are awnings that will come out above the Nano doors.

Ms. Clancy said that on either side of the doors there will be draperies. She said that typically as she builds something, she adds things as she goes. For example, on this project, she added gas lamps on either side of the front door and the awnings over the two upstairs windows for design and privacy reasons. Ms. Clancy said she was open to returning before the Commission if necessary should she need to add something. She added that the driveway elevation will be a very lattice pattern with poured concrete and artificial turf.

Chairperson Reed asked if the sod will be artificial turf.

Ms. Clancy said yes. It is also in compliance with San Diego's new water restrictions.

Chairperson Reed asked if the tile, which will go around the curved window on the inside, will also go around the doorway.

Ms. Clancy said yes. It will go around both front doors. She also plans to place it on the rise of the front door step, if possible.

Chairperson Reed asked about the list of design elements including the wood garage doors, lattice in the driveway, and tile set in around the window. She asked if the applicant has a list of other design features necessary to get the increased FAR.

Director Fait said staff is in the process of working with Ms. Clancy on some of the design features so some of those items are not finalized.

Ms. Clancy said the following is a list of what she is hoping to get: the shade tree with no less than a 4-inch diameter trunk; a design to be compatible with and retain the architectural style of the original dwelling; a variation in roof line; a dwelling garage of all facades being of different color, style and texture, and all visible roofs of being different tile, different color and texture as compared to the dwellings and the garages of the adjoining next door neighbors; a roof pitch of 12 or greater; windows along both sides of facades offset at least 12 inches edge to edge from the adjoining buildings; approval from the Design Review Commission; and a garage with a vehicle entry door turned 90 degrees or more from the street.

Vice Chair Kaufman said that the applicant had done a very nice job.

Ms. Clancy said that she should be very pleased when it is finished. She would like to build something in Coronado that is what Coronado is hoping to see. This is something that she has never done and she has put a lot of research into this project. The actual structure should meet the Commission's approval and if it does not, she is open to suggestions.

Vice Chair Kaufman asked about the color of the windows.

Ms. Clancy said that in keeping with Spanish, they are supposed to be a dark, raw Umber, similar to the Nano doors.

Chairperson Reed said she thought they would be white vinyl.

Ms. Clancy said that was not correct.

Chairperson Reed asked about the front porch and the tapered wood columns.

Ms. Clancy said it is not actually called a front porch; it is an overhang from the upstairs balcony. It does have Spanish columns. They are referred to as columns but architecturally they are more like brackets.

Vice Chair Kaufman asked about the railings.

Ms. Clancy said the railings will be a brown-colored iron.

Vice Chair Kaufman said she likes the detail; however, she has an issue with the arched window. She feels that a large clear window if very difficult to cover.

Ms. Clancy said the window looks into a garage so a 2-inch square wood blind along the top of the inside is doable.

Commissioner Jones asked if a watered or beaded glass could be used. She felt that something more decorative should be done with the window.

Ms. Clancy said if it is leaded glass, it will not be a window that can be opened. Obscure glass, however, is not Spanish. A Coke-bottle glass is in keeping more with that time.

Commissioner Jones said there is a lot of seeded glass that would give the feelings of obscurity.

Ms. Clancy agreed. She asked if the Commission was having an issue with the window covering inside.

Chairperson Reed said yes. She is concerned about the 2-inch wood covering being very hard and edgy.

Ms. Clancy said that hopefully it will not be seen as its purpose is to block the silhouette of the car if the garage light is on at night. She would not be opposed to doing a window covering behind it, like a lined drapery.

Chairperson Reed said it was not in the Commission's purview in keeping residents from placing drapes on their windows.

Ms. Clancy disagreed, as Design Review can decide on the lining cover and the texture of the fabric.

Chairperson Reed said Design Review does not usually involve itself in the lining cover.

Commissioner Kaufman said the arched window over the entrance is a concern.

Ms. Clancy said she had two different plans engineered. She showed the Commission the alternative drawing.

Commissioner Kaufman said there are many stamped Spanish houses in Coronado. They are pseudo-Spanish and the construction is not good.

Chairperson Reed expressed concern that many homes are building turrets.

Ms. Clancy said it is very difficult as there are not many options with Spanish which is probably why she has never built Spanish before.

Chairperson Reed asked about the railings.

Ms. Clancy said they will be powder-coated iron with a bronze finish, as are the windows. She is currently having them made. They are twisted but she prefers not to put the generic knuckle on them. She would prefer to do the old, real Spanish.

Vice Chair Kaufman said Ms. Clancy has done a great job; but she still has concerns about the window as she feels that it detracts.

Ms. Clancy said that if she is unable to find an acceptable antique or replica of a Spanish clad window, she could do a full clear tempered piece of glass and have a drapery behind it.

Commissioner Jones said she does not feel that would be an enhancement at all.

Ms. Clancy agreed.

Commissioner Jones asked about the fabric for the Nano walls and if it would be exposed to outdoor conditions.

Ms. Clancy said she opted for outdoor fabric which is durable and can be cleaned and laundered.

PUBLIC COMMENT

There were no members of the public wishing to speak at this time.

COMMISSION DISCUSSION

Commissioner Jones said the roof line over the front door needs to be addressed. If a change is to occur, a rendering should be submitted.

Ms. Clancy asked if this request could be made an exception or does it need to be completely re-visited.

Chairperson Reed clarified that it is difficult to vote on something they cannot see. She would prefer to see the renderings if the roof line is going to be changed.

Ms. Clancy said she would also provide more clarification on the window.

Vice Chair Kaufman asked about the tile around the arch of the window.

Ms. Clancy said she hoped to have two tiles so she would have to frame in an 8-inch wall.

Commissioner Jones said she did not care for the large piece of tempered glass with drapery behind it. She did not feel it would work well with the garage. She felt a more creative solution could work.

Chairperson Reed stated for the record that this area is zoned for multiple dwellings and, according to the laws of the State of California, the City needs to encourage to build out to the zoning requirements because of the density requirements. Any duplex structure will probably be out of scale to the surrounding houses.

Ms. Clancy suggested that the Design Review Commission may want to speak to Zoning and Planning about decreasing the amount of garages because these homes would be significantly more charming if they had only one garage door.

Chairperson Reed said the homes may look better but there is no place to park and this is such an issue in Coronado.

Ms. Clancy said it is difficult to go from a cottage to something that must have two parking spots and two garage doors.

Director Fait summarized that the Commission appears to want the item continued and have specific issues re-visited.

Chairperson Reed asked if this action was agreeable with the applicant.

Ms. Clancy said she was in agreement as she wants the Commission to have a complete understanding of the project. In addition, she said that should any issues arise with this project, she would like to be notified and given the opportunity to change something that may be an issue.

COMMISSION ACTION

CHAIRPERSON REED MADE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS AND/OR PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE ROOF LINE DETAILS AT THE FRONT DOOR, ARCH WINDOW, RAILING DETAILS, WINDOW DETAILS, SAMPLE STUCCO AND LIGHT LOCATIONS.

COMMISSIONER JONES SECONDED THE MOTION.

AYES: Commissioners Jones, Kaufman, and Reed.

NAYS: None.

ABSENT: Commissioners Shallan, Wilson.

ABSTAIN: None.

 

The motion passed with a vote of 3-0.

ADJOURNMENT

There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 4:28 p.m.

Tony A Peņa

Director of Community Development